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Hello all!

Journal Entry: Tue Jun 12, 2012, 8:51 PM


Well, this has been a very interesting day. Didn't start out so great, waking up with that rash and all...

What? No, not THERE. Get your mind out of the gutter! I'm having an allergic reaction to my new bar of deodorant.

Anyway, it was a long day and I came back to find my inbox flooded. I'm so excited for this opportunity to hopefully build the fan fiction community up a little and hopefully help us all overcome many of the prejudices that plague us. Yes, Sturgeon's Law is very true when it comes to fanfiction, but every quarry has precious stones within.

Oh! And I might as well plug my site. For those of you who love Transformers, I run an RPG site called Cybertron's Core. It just turned 7 years old last week! Funny enough, one of my primary reasons for joining devART originally was to help promote that site. If you love to write Transformers, this is the site for you!
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:bulletgreen: First and foremost, a piece must have polished grammar. I always say, if you can't be bothered to put the effort into writing correctly, why should we commit the effort to read it?
:bulletgreen: Keep characters in character. "Shipping" is a matter that I intend to handle delicately. While AU stories that feature characters who have been romantically teased at but never officially got together (for example, Wolverine/Jean Grey) are welcome, totally random pairings (like, say, sworn enemies such as Professor X/Magneto) are too out of character.
:bulletgreen: Stories featuring original characters are welcome, but please, no Mary Sues or Gary Stus. I know this is subjective, and I will judge on a case-by-case basis. If a story stars an original character, I would prefer canon characters at least cameo in the story to frame the story within continuity.
:bulletgreen: Stories have to be complete before they will be accepted. No works in progress. If the chapter can stand alone as a complete story that just builds into a larger arc, I'll consider it. But otherwise, I won't be accepting any stories that aren't complete.
:bulletgreen: This isn't so much a rule as it is a recommendation or a guideline, but I would prefer to feature stories that are under 5K in their word count. The object of a Daily Deviation is to get an artist more exposure, and people are less inclined to read stories that are too long. It's unfortunate, but it's just human nature.
:bulletgreen: The only "mpreg" I'll even consider is something along these lines.

  • Mood: Eager
  • Listening to: The Beatles
  • Watching: Transformers Dark of the Moon
  • Drinking: Iced Tea
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:iconlucy-merriman:
Lucy-Merriman Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Student General Artist
Question: does parody count as fanfiction?
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Yep.
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jd896 Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
People will read novels of thousands of words, but around in the Internet, people are turned off once the number count gets to five digits.

Oh you Interwebs.
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Usually professionally-published novels are a safer bet. Anyway, my word cap is just a suggestion, not a rule, and I'm willing to consider really long stories for DDs.
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BeccaJS Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012   Writer
I wouldn't restrict word length. A well written piece can stand against a TL;DR culture and even if it doesn't get 200 favs, its better 50 people read a good quality piece of art over a half hearted piece that fits a 5k word limit.
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
That's good advice. But it's not a hard rule... more a piece of advice for anyone looking to get a feature for their favorite writer, and have a choice between stories. I'll still accept longer stories for consideration.
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BeccaJS Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012   Writer
It's not about featuring someone's friend, it's about featuring good quality work that is both technically and content perfect? Just from
Experience, solid prose comes from all word counts from 6 to 60k, don't ostracise what may involve an effort to read! :)
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Oh I know. But usually suggesters are people who are trying to help out someone that they admire. At least, that was my motivation for many of the suggestions I sent in back when I was on the other side.

And I know, I'm not telling anyone not to send me long suggestions.
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BeccaJS Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012   Writer
Just bf careful how you word these things then- some people take your guidelines as gospel :)
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Oh, I've learned that the hard way already.
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avi17 Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012
I wrote you a rather long response to both this and your journal about shipping- [link] I apologize for the length, but I really have a problem with your rule on non-canonical shipping. I said what I felt like I needed to say, and I hope that you will take the time to read it.
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
[link] I hope that this can help us resolve our differences.
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I'm sorry you feel that way. You have one good point, that not everyone is looking for a lifelong partner. I hadn't considered that, since my own policies about relationships takes them very seriously. So, if someone was to write a story about, say, Captain Jack from Doctor Who hooking up with another (promiscuous) character, I wouldn't be completely against that, so long as they remain in character. But Captain Jack and the Doctor becoming lovers? No, just no.

To suggest that a fanfic writer can write stories "fixing" the relationships of characters implies that they know better than the characters' own creators--and as a writer of original stories, I find that notion offensive. Using an inherently terrible series like Twilight as an example automatically makes your argument a strawman. Yes, some authors make mistakes, but those are their mistakes to make.

Regarding characters who don't have established sexualities, I want to play is safe. I tend to avoid stories where even they are portrayed in relationships, straight or otherwise.

If you don't agree with my policies, that's too bad. But I must continue to uphold what I believe to be a high standard for the stories that I much personally endorse when I feature them.
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avi17 Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012
One thing I forgot- what I specifically said in the Twilight example was that "in the cases of ones like the Twilight example, something a fan comes up with may actually make more sense in terms of realistic human relationships than what the canon presents." Later I discuss that some authors are not concerned with writing realistic relationships, and I would certainly say that Stephenie Meyer is one of them. She is writing a fantasy and a romance novel, neither of which are intended to represent the realistic ins and outs of a relationship. I am not saying that someone who writes a different pairing is trying to "fix" what she created. However, if you insist that relationships should be written in a deep, complex, and realistic manner, then what you write will inevitably be different- possibly even in choice of pairing- from the original, since the original is idealized and fantastical, and was never intended to contain those kinds of relationships.
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
A person can write a realistic relationship without going into the nitty-gritty details about it. If you can't understand that, then I'm sorry.
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avi17 Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012
I can understand your second point- I write original stories too, and I'm very attached to my characters. I'm not saying that things like that are wrong and should be fixed- just that any character can go in other directions. You were the one who brought up portraying realistic relationships- those don't last forever. If someone kept my characters in character and created a relationship for them I wouldn't have expected, I would probably think it was interesting. And yes, I personally would agree that Twilight isn't very well-written, but you sound like a hypocrite dismissing my example for that reason. Like I said, there are plenty of examples of authors appearing to throw together incompatible characters in a variety of fandoms- that was just the most extreme and most likely to be widely recognized and understood. I can't help but point out that Transformers is not exactly high-brow entertainment or fantastic writing either- at least, according to the opinions of many people- opinions that are no less valuable than yours.

However, what I will never understand is people like you who are so obsessed with respecting the original writer, and yet still write fanfic yourself. Do you think that unconventional pairings are the only thing that could possibly offend the creators of a canon or its characters? Literally any scenario involving the characters or worlds created by someone that they didn't write could possibly offend them. Some writers absolutely object to any fanfiction of their works whatsoever. You write fanfic yourself, and I have a feeling that you don't personally know the original creators of the things you write for. Who are you to assume that what one person writes doesn't respect the original material, but that what you write does? For all you know, they would be massively offended by your work, for some reason that you know nothing about. Who are you to assume that your tastes, or "standards" as you call them, are respectful to the original creators, but someone else's are not? You can't know what each individual creator thinks- there are some who read or even write things like slash fanfiction for their own creations. They would probably be offended by you imposing your "standards" on their work, and enforcing your own beliefs as to what is or is not true to their characters. If you want so badly to have no chance of offending the original author, and care so deeply about respect, then basically, you have to eliminate all fandom. And in that case, you eliminate your job as fanfic admin too.

For that matter, how are you even going to know what does or does not "respect" the canon? You are probably not going to be familiar with 80% of the fandoms for which you receive submissions. Are you going to look up the canon pairings on Wikipedia or something? Or only consider submissions in fandoms with which you are familiar enough to judge this ridiculous "respect" criteria? In that case, I argue doubly for another one or two mods for fanfic, who have different or more diverse tastes in fandoms and content.

As to the "playing it safe" thing, again, that's just ridiculous and unrealistic. Every person has a sexual orientation. And I still have a feeling that for you, "playing it safe" means "keeping it straight." I'm sure that if a background character with no established orientation mentioned his girlfriend in passing in a story, you wouldn't bat an eyelash, but if he mentioned his boyfriend, suddenly it would be a big deal with canon-compliance and keeping in character.

So no, clearly, I do not agree with your policies. Your opinions are your own, and were you just any person, it would not matter. However, as I said earlier, you aren't just one person- now you are the person judging the fanfic work of the entire DA community, and to judge based on your opinionated standards for content as well as quality is unfair to a good chunk of the writers in it. I'm sure that you will not consider changing your policy, but if you insist upon excluding such a large part of the community you represent, then like I said- maybe you shouldn't be the only person representing it.
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Do you know who Nick Roche and James Roberts are? They were fanfic writers.

Right now they are the most celebrated authors writing the Transformers comics.

Russel T. Davies? Steven Moffat? Fanfic writers. Now they write the Doctor Who TV series.

In both franchises, fanfiction is not just embraced, but it's used as a breeding ground for the next generation of writers.

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle gave people his blessing to do whatever they wanted with Sherlock Holmes.

You seem to have some misconceptions regarding Daily Deviations and the standards for their acceptance. Said standards are the personal feelings of the people entrusted to select them. FAQ #873: What do I do when I disapprove of a Daily Deviation feature?
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neurotype Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
whoa fanfic mod :la:

you're also requiring correct categorization right? :B Because it seems like a lot of people have troubles finding the fanfiction category.
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Yep. But now I'm in a position to recategorize them when I find them, and hopefully help educate them.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:la: Oh man I keep forgetting you guys can recategorize things again!

There's a surprisingly large amount in nonfiction. :B
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Gnyah. Well, we'll fix 'em when we find 'em. If we went looking for them, we wouldn't have time for anything else.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Facts. :nod:
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:iconjzlobo:
JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Yep.
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012
You don't waste any time huh? These guidelines seem very reasonable :)
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Oh I'm very good at wasting time. It's just that deviantART is what I primarily waste time with.

And thanks, I'm glad you approve of them. I was worried about coming off as either too strict, or not strict enough.
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Thiefoworld Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012
I think you're on a well balanced ground ;)
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Good, good.
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drugTito Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012
Congratulations are in order! :ahoy:

Sooo..what exactly are you now?
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
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drugTito Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012
Ooooh, I see what you did there! :clap:

So, you guys each have your own designated turf, and can act only within that...?
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Yep. If you'll look on my page, you can see my guidelines for accepting suggestions.
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SingingFlames Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Congratulations! And I was tickled to see a fellow Transformer fan as the new Fanfiction CV. :eager: I'm looking forward to sending you DD recommendations, but I thought I'd let you settle in first. Quick question: by 'works in progress,' do you mean where the author hasn't finished the complete story? There is one fanfic I have in mind, but the author has only finished 3 chapters so far and it appears there will be several more before it finishes. However, none of the chapters themselves are 'works in progress.'

Again, congrats on becoming our Fanfiction CV! :w00t:
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
If the chapter can stand alone as a complete story that just builds into a larger arc, I'll consider it. But otherwise, I won't be accepting any stories that aren't complete. So many writers lose interest in long stories, or peter out, leaving incomplete works which can be quite frustrating for readers. I won't put people through that. Also, I haven't decided yet what kind of size limit I'll put on a DD. If something's too long, people will be less inclined to read it.

I appreciate the consideration. :nod: Thanks!
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SingingFlames Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Completely understandable. I have run into several stories that I've truly enjoyed, but were left incomplete. It's quite frustrating. I'll keep that story in mind, assuming (hoping) the author finishes it. I have another author I watch who is amazing who has several finished works. I'll be sure to check if you decide on a size limit (since some of her stuff is quite long).

And you're welcome! :)
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Excellent. Hope to hear from you soon.
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alexandrasalas Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
It will be great working with you! Looking forward to it.
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charlenequek Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Turn J-Z-Belexes into one of your pokemon and give him a cuter name so mokona will remember him better! :iconteheplz:
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alexandrasalas Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I'd need a Master Ball and I have none! :nuu:
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charlenequek Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
But the JZ is a new Pokemon in Pre-evolved form until he becomes more experienced and evolves. He doesn't need much space a master ball has. :)

But then again if you think he needs a master ball then you should go on a quest to find it.

And oh! JZ is a dark flying type of Pokemon.
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alexandrasalas Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Hahaha okay. Noted. :salute:
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charlenequek Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
and you might as well round up the new team of ^s announced recently to make up the rest of the pokemon traveling with you. :iconplanningplz:
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alexandrasalas Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
XD

There's enough for a team of CV Pokémon!
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charlenequek Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
so as their master-can you link pokemon and CVs together?

so who is who?
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Me too!
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YukiMizuno Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
First off, let me say congrats to you on your new hat! 8D Your rules are a good start for deciding what to suggest. :eager:

I do have a question though; about shipping. I can understand how featuring a noncanon pairing can cause some controversies. :lol: But, what if the story I want to suggest was from a fandom that doesn't have any real "official" canons? :slow: Should that be a factor in your decision?

Also, what about crossovers, and crossover pairings? I love reading crossovers; and some of the ones I read are often made for setting up a crossover pairing sometimes. Will that factor into it too? :slow:

Thanks if you can answer! :dummy:
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Nonofficial canons? What kind of genres would those be?

Crossover pairings I am generally against, but I suppose I could be a little lenient for those. Depends on how they're written.
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alexandrasalas Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I think she's referring more to Fan Fiction romance where two characters seem to be in a romantic situation when in canon they're still not to that point. At least that's the idea I get from her question.
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Could be. As long as the two characters have at least been hinted as a romantic possibility in canon, I'm willing to give it a look.
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alexandrasalas Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
Sounds fair enough.

There's also romantic fics based on series/books/movies where the plot involves little to no romance at all. How about those?
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Long as the characters still have a canon thing between them. Heck, you know I write a romantic Transformers story. ;) Pretty much everything has a romance subplot these days (since Hollywood thinks that's the only way to appeal to women), so your question is pretty academic.
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