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Why I Thumb My Nose at Shipping

Journal Entry: Tue May 15, 2012, 1:56 PM


"[W]hy do you hate "shipping?" What makes it so uncreative?"

This question was put to me in a recent thread in the devART literature forums. I wrote a rather comprehensive answer to that question, and now for the sake of posterity I am posting it in a journal to save myself the hassle of writing it over and over again. The next time this subject comes up, answering will be as easy and linking them here:


While it's one thing to build on the Ship Teases of the original writers (I get just as frustrated by Will They or Won't They? moments as anyone else, and I can see where someone might want to pick up where they think a writer let them down), it's another matter all together to just slap two random characters together because you think they look "hot together."

Love is an extremely personal thing. You can't just fall in love with anyone. A person's attractions, both sexual and emotional, are a huge part of their psychological makeup. Being in love is more than just rainbows and roses 24/7. It's a merger of two souls, and even the most compatible people have their points where things don't quite match up, and work has to be done to bridge those chasms. And when you disregard the deeper, more realistic aspects of love, it shows you don't really understand the emotion at all.

Falling in love is like building a jigsaw puzzle and finding two pieces that go side by side. Shipping ignores all this and crams two pieces together, regardless of their matching up or not. It throws characterization out the window. For serious storytelling, a fictional character has to be treated as realistically as a flesh and blood human being, otherwise they're not a character at all, they're a sock puppet. How would you feel if someone wrote a story depicting you in a relationship with someone with whom you're not compatible? With a family member? With someone you hate!?

I treat fan fiction with the same seriousness as original stories. Even Shakespeare wrote "fan fiction." The only difference is that you're working with characters created by someone else and not ones of your own creation. When that is the case, you must be extra careful to treat the characters with respect, because you're only borrowing them. How would you feel if you wrote a story about two best friends who are like brothers to each other, poured your heart and soul into it and eventually got it published... and then a few years later found a story some kid wrote with those two blood-brothers having sex?

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Bluetabbycat Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Well said, that man! I feel the same way. :3

I generally dislike how people tend to sexualize *any* kind of relationship. Can't two guys be really good friends (or enemies?) without having it away in the bushes every five minutes? And is it just me, or is that when you try to explain this to someone that "ships", they tend to get really uppity and accuse you of being homophobic?
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
It's not just you, unfortunately.
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lindahoyland Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012
Very well said.
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Thank you.
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UltimaMage578 Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012
I think you should read this. [link]

Because it is way better than the stuff you've written here.
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stylenoir Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012
Well done J-Z-Belexes, you've just alienated at least 75% of your users, created "Fan-Fact" from "fan-fiction" and then created anger amongst the DA community. All from one ridiculous idea and a righteous ground.

If you "treat fan fiction with the same seriousness as original stories" how about having freedom of speech. Which is possibly somewhat important.

Personal opinions and personal ideals should not enter into decisions within a society or community, that's called a dictatorship.
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Aeirmid Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012   Digital Artist
I know how frustrating it can be to feel like your voice is not being heard or your speech is being stymied! But, if you really think about it for a moment, that is not what ^J-Z-Belexes is doing. Quite to the contrary, he is setting parameters, or abiding by parameters that have already been set, that will enable him to give a voice to the very best and most creative pieces the community has to offer-- which, after all, is what a Daily Deviation award is all about. So, again, your Fan Fiction CV is protecting the integrity of the gallery by only allowing that which fits those parameters to be featured as a Daily Deviation. There are other places, I am sure, where non-canonical fiction can be submitted, such as the Romance gallery, so there is no reason for anyone to feel stifled or silenced.
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avi17 Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012
I completely agree with you that he is not stifling anyone's freedom of speech- I'm not really sure how that got into this in the first place. Most of us who are protesting this know that he isn't trying to tell us what we can and cannot write. The problem is that he is making rules for what does and does not qualify as "the very best and most creative pieces" based not on quality, like in other media, but on content, and is choosing to completely exclude a massive portion of the fanfic work on here from even being considered because it contains something he happens not to like. The photography CVs don't say, "Photos of flowers are a big no-no, completely regardless of their quality, because I happen not to like photos of flowers and think they're uncreative. Therefore, you can't even submit them." That would be ridiculous. So why is this rule okay? He can't be "protecting the integrity of the gallery" by adhering to certain parameters when said parameters are set by him and based solely on his personal opinions and biases.

Not trying to start any sort of argument with you or anything, I just wanted to let you know what the problem that most of us actually have with this is, since I think the strange accusation about freedom of speech distracted from the real issue.
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alexandrasalas Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
The fact that he would not feature certain types of Fan Fiction has nothing to do with freedom of speech. He's not forcing the whole Fan Fiction Community to NOT write what they want. He's just choosing not to feature non-canonical shipping fics.
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stylenoir Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012
J-Z-Belexes You're not dA staff, you are a dA volunteer there is a colossal difference. You are infringing on dA member's free speech.

Rupert Murdoch isn't "obliged" to put right wing biased content on his front page and features, but he does, and that's 50% of the reason he is currently being investigated by the Leveson Inquiry.

Ring any bells to someone else we're currently talking about?
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Allow me to correct my terminology, I am not a member of the staff. I am a volunteer. As such, anything I do is... voluntary. And I am not obligated to feature anything I don't agree with.
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stylenoir Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012
"I am not obligated to feature anything I don't agree with" I think this statement is about to get you reprimanded. You're not here for you, you are here for the community.
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I am not infringing on anyone's rights to free speech. I'm just not giving a bullhorn to the speakers. The dA staff is not obligated to feature anyone. We do it as an added fun feature.
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LadyBrookeCelebwen Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
As a writer, of both original fiction and fanfiction, I disagree.

To get the last and quickest thing out of the way - as a writer of original fiction, if somebody wants to take my characters and ship them different ways, that's fine. They can respect me as a person and still do things with my characters that I don't understand.Disrespectful would be writing me having sex with somebody when I didn't (which actually is something our culture accepts, for both living and dead people). Respecting me would be liking my story enough to write fanfic based off it, whether it is a pairing or story I would like, or not. Do all authors feel this way? No. But it's a point that if accepted, would have to eliminate all fanfiction. Focusing on pairings as something that disrespect the author, and not OCs, beliefs, plot lines, etc, ignores the fact that every person has their own quirk that will have them take offense at something different than the next person.

Noncanon pairings can be the greatest thing in the world. I have four pairings that I write on a regular basis, three of them canon and the last not. The emotions expressed in the stories are no less in the noncanon pairing than the others.

Shipping is not throwing all characterization out the window. Whether you ship Ginny/Harry, Harry/Luna, Finwe/Miriel, Maedhros/Fingon, Edward/Bella, or Aro/Carlisle, it should be about taking the characteristics they have in the canon and making a loving, fulfilling relationship out of it. I've seen fanfic based on canon pairings that throws the characterization out the window. I've seen fanfic based on noncanon pairings do the same. But at the same time, I've seen canon and noncanon pairing based fanfic that absolutely broke my heart, because it stayed true to the characteristics and stories I knew to be canon. Those fanfics also managed to tell a love story that made the perfect sense.

While you say in your journal that love isn't all rainbows and roses, I get the feeling that it is what you think love is. Love isn't happiness, all the time. Love is pain. Love is knowing that one day that person might be gone. Love is fearing for that person. Love is not always a merger of two souls. Sometimes, love is nothing more than living with the pain that somebody is gone. Love doesn't even have to be between two people. A person can fall deeply in love with somebody, and not be loved back. It happens. And who are you to say that isn't love?
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I think you make unfair presumptions about me. I think I know better than many how painful and hard love can be. I loved a woman, and she threw it in my face.

And I'm sorry, but if you literally consider shipping fics to be the greatest thing in the world, then you have more deep-seated problems in your life than one CV.
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LadyBrookeCelebwen Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I've left this response for a while now, because I had to calm down first.

You've been burnt in love. That's not uncommon, unfortunately. I've been dumped and humiliated, but I would never try to tell anybody else that they don't understand a relationship or love. I don't understand it, fully, and I doubt I will for a long time. I'm not willing to bet that I know it all now. That would be too depressing for me. I want that shock of discovering something new. Perhaps I was unfair to you - I was writing in the heat of the moment. I'm willing to admit that.

As regards me thinking shipping is the best thing ever (and especially that it makes me have deep seated issues) - I'm not sure where you got this impression. I mentioned it more than other genres of fanfic because that is what this post is about. I do not. I rarely write romance stories. When I do, they are normally because one of my friends asked me to write them a romance story or because it was part of a challenge in the fandom I participate in. Some of my other stories have pairings, both canon and non-canon, in the background. I consider this a natural part of life, and as I want my serious stories to be realistic, I include pairings. These are normally the canon pairings, and they are included because most of my stories focus on the children that resulted from these pairings.

I have not attempted to categorize my stories into shipping vs non-shipping, especially as I don't know what exactly you consider shipping. I will tell you that the only pairing that repeatedly shows up in my stories that is not canon is widely accepted in my fandom. The two characters involved have a very involved relationship in the canon that, if you wished, I could explain in further detail. Suffice to say, I am not the only one who ships this.

To give you a brief idea of what my stories normally center around, I write a lot of stories exploring the relationships, of all types, between the characters. Some of these explore the relationship between brothers, some between cousins, some between opposing political forces, etc. I do not write with the purpose of convincing anybody to ship any pairing.

I was rather excited to have a fanfic cv. I realize that in many fandoms, every characters thoughts, actions, feelings, and general character is known. But that's not the same in every fandom. To give you an idea of the fandom and characters I write - the book was only published after the author's death. Some of the characters involved are only known from notes published even later. We know little of their character, romances, lives, anything. That applies even to some of the main characters. I hope you'll keep that in mind if you ever get a suggestion from the Silmarillion fandom, or one like it. Personally, if you ever have questions about the Tolkien fandom, I'm more than happy to answer any.
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Well, I do honestly believe that you can't truly understand love until you've been in a serious relationship with someone you've fallen in love with. And the majority of fledgling fanfic writers are young teenagers who are too young to have had that experience yet. So, yes, I believe that most, if not all crack pairings are created by people who don't understand what love is.

When I get suggestions for a fandom I'm not familiar with, I'll ask the suggester any questions I might have. People are usually happy to talk about what they love, and I enjoy listening. It's a part of the job that I enjoy.
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LadyBrookeCelebwen Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
(Sorry that this comment is so long)

I've put off responding to this for months, because quite honestly, I didn't want to reply back angry and continue the stupid cycle I think we got in. But I've seen your latest journal (Ask not...) and wanted to comment on that. It felt wrong to comment there without getting this all cleared up, so responding to this first.

I think that part of the problem is the fact that I was considering things just as they are in my fandom, and not the bigger picture. With the Silmarillion, the fans don't really have much in the way of canon characterization. There's characterizations that have established themselves in the fanon, but that's pretty much it. No one can really say how 90% of the characters would act on a regular basis, because we only see them at their extremes or for a paragraph or two.

Similarily, there isn't a lot of canon pairings. Tolkien might mention that so and so was married, but not name their spouse. There is so little in the way of canon that the fandom can't even agree on who someone's father was.

Quite frankly, I'd feel uncomfortable labeling 99% of fic based on the Silmarillion as having canon characterization, because it doesn't exist to any degree of complexity for most of the characters.

Also, I think we were working off of very different definitions of crack, and also how acceptable that is in fandom. To a lot of the people I'm around and myself, it's not just humor. It can also be taking a far out premise and making it come across as serious and possible. That would be crack too - drama/crack, angst/crack , etc. can exist just as well as humor/crack can.

I do feel like we got off to a bad start, and I regret that. I have a tendency to overreact whenever I feel that I'm being viewed as somewhat stupid, and I forgot that most people are involved in fandoms that lack the melodrama, lack of sense, and confusing source material that characterizes the Silmarillion.
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Thank you for the calm reply.

You have a good point regarding fandoms. If you're interested to understand where I'm coming from, my primary/original fandom is Transformers. (Despite what Hollywood would have you believe,) the comics and cartoons have provided many Transformers with deep, fleshed-out characterizations. And when I see people pairing Dinobot/Rattrap, and even Optimus Prime/Megatron, completely distorting and bastardizing the characters, it always aggravated me.

And believe me, the Transformers fandom is one of the most melodramatic I've seen, despite the comparatively clear source material. Please don't think I think you're stupid. How could I, when I don't even know you?
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LadyBrookeCelebwen Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
You're welcome for it. I try not to add to the drama, though I frequently fail with my attempts.

I can see how that could be annoying. I'm curious - how do you feel about it if people are doing it just to have humor or satire fic with those pairings? But yes, if a character has a canon characterization, it is important to keep that in fanfic.

So we're both coming from completely melodramatic fandoms, just with different reasons for the melodrama in each. That's something in common. ;p I was probably just being overly sensitive. I'm too used to be dismissed by various people, for various reasons (in real life, I'm almost 20, and guesses on my age from strangers range from 12 to 15. You can imagine how much that would irk to be treated like you're 8 years younger than you actually are.)
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Humor or satire, it depends on how it's done.

As for being taken seriously, my advice is, just act mature and people should treat you mature. After all, no one can see what you look like on the internet.
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Burning-Nightingale Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012
Sorry but....

Many people who write non-canon pairings are not just slapping "two random characters together", they've put thought into why the characters might be in a pairing and how it might work. To lump all the bad fic-writers, who write crazy crack and stupid pairings badly, with those who have honestly thought about their fics and dedicated time to them is insulting.

(Also "shipping" doesn't just mean that you like non-canon pairings. You can "ship" canon pairings too)

To be honest, this wouldn't bother me so much if you weren't applying it to how you choose DD's. I'd be perfectly happy to live and let live, but I honestly think you'll be missing out on so much potential if you exclude non-canon pairings from your suggestions. It's almost like you're excluding slash or het, or M rated stuff, for example. Works with non-canon pairings can definitely be legitimately good works of fic. I really think you should consider putting aside your personal feelings on shipping when you choose DD's from suggestions, because that's basically what being a mod is about; being fair. I think it is incredibly unfair to exclude people who write very good fic just because they have a non-canon pairing in their work.

There are many other points I could include, but at the end of the day it's your view, and you can hold it. I just would rather your personal views didn't impact on what gets chosen as the Daily Deviation, and what doesn't.
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I'm sorry that you feel that way. I don't exclude canon shipping stories; only noncanon. But the only people supposedly "excluded" by this policy are people who write only one subject matter--and a good writer should be versatile and able to write other things beside "Charlie kisses John/Jane." And one-trick ponies aren't the kind of artists who I would want to feature for Daily Deviations anyway.
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Burning-Nightingale Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012
So are you saying that, for example, a fic that featured mainly an action plot but had a small subplot of a non-canon pairing would be considered? Does this policy mean that stories that focus solely on a romantic plot between a canon pairing would be considered a "one-trick pony" and not considered? Does this mean a fic being considered for a DD must have two different elements; for example, action and comedy? Or are you saying you don't want to see PWP or just smut stories being suggested?

Because technically, many canon shipping stories feature solely "Charlie kisses John/Jane". And fics that only have one genre can be amazing fics.

I still think that you letting your own personal preferences affect your decisions as a mod is unfair. Your job is to give DD's to worthy and deserving deviations because of their quality, and having a non-canon pairing is a matter of preference, not quality or good writing.
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UltimaMage578 Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012
This kind of makes me well... whether angry. I mean... well... one of the best fanfics I ever read was of Bowser and Peach, and another was of Yosuke and Souji, and some of the best fanfiction writers I've ever known never actually stuck to canon. A few doses here and there, but they never actually stuck to it.

However, this is coming from a person who can make sense of almost every single pairing available.

But, shouldn't you be looking for quality? I mean, you probably just killed a lot of chances for dA just based on standards of some horrible writings. Plus, I haven't really read a canon fanfic in forever. I'd rather read about twisted universes and what might've happened ifs and all those other things.

Plus what about things that don't have any actual canon? Or there is no established love interests? It just really bothers me.

I miss the dislike function.
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KarlaCr0me Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Why must all fanfiction have to be about relationships? I think that, considering, a great fanfic doesn't have to be about romance anyway.

And sorry to say, but it needs to make sense. Bowser and Peach? That makes no sense. Why would Peach ever want to be romantically involved with a monster who has made her life hell since she can remember? Teaming up with him against a greater enemy? I could see that happen. It's happened in some of the Mario games after all, like Super Mario RPG. But romantically involved? No, I don't think so.
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avi17 Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012
All fanfic doesn't have to be about relationships, and a great fanfic doesn't have to be about romance. However, a great fanfic CAN be about romance, and the fact that it is doesn't automatically make it somehow less valid or good in terms of quality.
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Burning-Nightingale Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012
Sorry, but how do you know it doesn't make sense if you've never read the fic? It could make perfect sense for all you know. Just judging it by the pairing alone is a very blinkered view.
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UltimaMage578 Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012
Well, romance may not be a major involvement, but it can still be there. So, even if the story is there, and romance is just like, a secondary element, this still would apply. So let's say you read... a great

Like I said, I can make sense out of any pairing. You just need the mind for it. In the fanfic though, it follows by the thought that Bowser actually treats Peach as an important guest in his castle. She actually has free reign and movement. Plus it isn't really an actual relationship, but Peach sees Bowser differently. She sees a kinder side of him as he takes care of his son, her has a deadly disease in the fanfic.
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I'm sorry you feel that way.
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UltimaMage578 Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2012
No, I'm sorry you feel that way.
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SyntheticEuphoria Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2012
I like you more and more.

Was reading your guidelines for DD submissions and followed the link here. I will shamelessly admit to reading more than my fair share of porn-tastic (not on DA) fanfiction - almost exclusively Transformers, these days. But I do have my standards, and a lot of the stuff I sift through to find the good ones...

...Yeah, I cringe. Here you pretty much stated my feelings on the matter, and better than I would have if I'd tried to explain it to someone. You get a big thumbs-up from me.
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Eh heh. I will admit I like the occasional smutty story, but I hardly ever read smutty fanfic for fear of it ruining the characters for me. If you're gonna right/read smut, original characters is the way to go.

Glad you liked this, though I will admit Transformers porn makes me go o.<
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SyntheticEuphoria Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2012
I can understand that - wanting to keep the characters "pure" and all. I just find it easier to get pulled in when I'm already familiar with the characters and background, rather than starting from scratch.

As for TF porn... Yeah, it makes no sense. XD I will freely admit to that. But it can still be fun, so long as you find a good author. :>
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Yeah, smut is more enjoyable when you're familiar with the characters, I will concede that.
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HunterBeingHunted Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I totally agree x3 (i know i know internet has everything in it..but) i love this tv-show supernatural and main characters are these two epic brothers, best friend ever and then...well you can guess what kinda fan fic i saw x.x
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I used to watch Supernatural. I loved Sam and Dean's dynamic. But yeah, by that point I was no surprised fangirls were slashing them. The episode where they found out someone was writing books about them and their reaction to slash fiction was one of my favorite moments in TV ever.
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HunterBeingHunted Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I still love Supernatural though but since it went on a long break i haven't watched it lately :(

ohh I've heard about that episode I really wanna see it xD
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
"They do know we're brothers, right?"
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HunterBeingHunted Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
xD yeah!

worst part is that they really do know that x.x
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Yep.
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Khoufu Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2012
I don't write about it (I have morals about writing and what I post) but I ship my action figures, though they fall in love and get married and all instead of just to the part where stuff happens. I actually don't go into their private life much (I play with my action figures with my middle school sister sometimes) but I did give the 80s Master and his Weeping Angel wife a baby, but that's all the detail I give to it. It's not serious, anyway, like some shipping fanfics are.
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nightshade43 Featured By Owner May 27, 2012
*logic
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nightshade43 Featured By Owner May 27, 2012
I can understand the frustration of a bad shipping, but for some reason I find some of them fascinating (especially the more innocent stuff where the characters just drive eachother insane). Whether it is watching different clashing personalities interact or watching two unlikely people bond over a situation.
Personally I stick to OCs when it comes to shipping.
Sometimes I like a couple, but only if they're as close to being in character as they can be (everyone's perceptions of said characters is different).

As for incest, rape-for-lols or rape-for-plot I try my best to avoid them.
My belief on Shipping is that as long as the characters are close to who they are in canon, and don't magically turn sadist or timid then it isn't too bad to me. But saying that....when I first found out about shipping I wished some deviations had warnings XD

I wholeheartedly agree with the attempt to respect characters. The problem I find is that a lot of people will cry horror at the smallest things. (Shipping unrealistic heterosexual pairings is apparently more okay than pairing a more in-depth homosexual or bisexual pairing to some fans)
That kind of ligc always bothered me.

Sorry for the massive paragraphs. Just thought to offer a conversation starter with the reasons for shipping. I'm no crazy rabid shipper XD I'm just as happy for a bromance as I am with a shipping.
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JZLobo Featured By Owner May 28, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Okay, I can see the logic in your first paragraph. I still don't care for the idea, but you at least presented a scenario that makes the practice seem a bit less crazy to me.

I don't think it's "shipping" when they're your own characters. If they have a relationship, that's just author intent. I'm talking about putting other peoples' characters into relationships they're not intended for.

I think there's more outcry simply because there are more heterosexual characters than homosexual ones. As I said, a person's sexual orientation is usually an important part of their personality, so changing that is changing their fundamental aspects.
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nightshade43 Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012
Fair enough. We all have opinions, and it's good to hear/read both sides of it.

Ah yes, Author Intent sounds like a more accurate description.

I think my main reason of flexibility towards it is because I tend to view it as an AU. Sexuality may be a core trait in identity, but the dynamics in the relationship always intrigued me. Seeing a "what if" version of this is something I find interesting, though admittedly I am drifting away from the romantic/sexual aspect, as only a few are actually quite good.
Bromances are usually so much more fun to explore!
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JZLobo Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Yes, they are.
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Cosmic--Chaos Featured By Owner May 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Excellent work with lots of great points, especially the last paragraph :clap:

I also like how you compare most shipping to cramming two puzzle pieces together (that don't even fit).
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JZLobo Featured By Owner May 21, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Thanks very much. If you'd like, don't hesitate to link back to this journal during discussions at any time.
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Darkenlite Featured By Owner May 20, 2012
I read your journal with great interest. I have hard time reading fan fics for this reason. I do see it great deal where the most random characters are put together that makes me wonder how they came up with it. I usually do not sweat it cause I figure its what they like and I figure perhaps I do something that is not to someone else's liking.

I'll be checking out your other links soon.
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